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Post by Brian the Flying Penguin on Apr 22, 2005 2:26:40 GMT -5
Two weeks until polling day. Who here lives in Britain? Who here is eligible to vote? What are the candidates like in your area? What is your opinion on the inevitable Labour landslide?
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Post by Dave on Apr 22, 2005 15:27:51 GMT -5
First year voting! My opinion on the inevitable Labour landslide is.....will it be so inevitable? Likely, sure, but the Tories have garnered a surprising amount of support, and Blair did himself no favours in the Paxman interview the other night by pulling off an avoid-the-same-question-repeatedly tactic in the grand style of his chief adversary, on one of the most controversial issues to have dogged his time in power. Although he has won the backing of Britain's most prominent brand of toilet paper, The Sun, so their troglodyte readership will no doubt be ticking the Labour box in spades. If they get a third term, I will confirm my long-mounted speculation that the British are no better, if not worse, than the Americans who voted Bush back in. None of them are particularly appealing prospects, but to re-elect the same idiot who has caused all the problems rather than giving the "reluctance" vote to someone - anyone - in opposition, strikes me as frankly demented. My pseudo-political ramblings aside, the outcome will not be pretty, whatever it is. I guess a vague ray of hope lies with Mr Kennedy, but realistically he's got no chance against the other two grinning undeads. Bah, I say.
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Post by Brian the Flying Penguin on Apr 22, 2005 15:58:41 GMT -5
I voted in the last european elections, but this is my first general election.
Lets not kid ourselves here. Labour are going to win, by a lot, andthe Conseratives are going to come second. I'm voting Liberal without any hope that they will be forming a government any time soon. And we're not as bad as the americans: Blair doesn't sign his name 'X'.
The only real problem I have with Labour is the way they lied about Iraq. I don't even disagree with going to war, I just don't like it when my government lies to me.
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Post by whitehind on Apr 22, 2005 18:29:22 GMT -5
Im not eligible to vote this time round, but even if I were I wouldn't know where to start. I think all the parties are as bad as each other - barring the Raving Monster Looney Party. As concerns Iraq, Labour screwed up big time... but what would the conservatives have done in their position? They supported the war too. Veritas? They seem to have very narrow policies that mainly cover the EU, immigration and ethnicity. BNP? People say they're racist but the few comments I've heard made by them seem logical and not at all prejudiced. But i never really hear their policies because they're usually arrested just before elections and last time round postal workers wouldn't hand out their flyers... democracy? In my worthless opinion it looks as though Labour will win... then we'll be seeing plenty more of tight fisted Gordon. No funds for public services but a war is affordable
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Post by Brian the Flying Penguin on Apr 23, 2005 2:07:31 GMT -5
Are the Looneys still going? I'll have to look for them on the ballot paper.
There is a reason why my teacher parents made me promise never to vote conservative. Gordon may be tight but he's a good deal better than the conservatives would be.
The BNP sound good until you watch the footage of them singing Nazi matching songs.
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Post by whitehind on Apr 23, 2005 11:21:15 GMT -5
Have you seen such footage of them? I'm not even saying that they are any good, it just seems to me that when a party is not allowed the opportunity to properly explain it's policies it shows that democracy is failing. I think I'd just vote UKIP, because I'm loath to see Brussels have any control.
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Post by Brian the Flying Penguin on Apr 23, 2005 11:37:55 GMT -5
I have not seen the footage, just heard the report of the journalist who shot it.
I like europe. I like the EU.
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Post by Dave on Apr 23, 2005 11:41:34 GMT -5
Kilroy-Silk - one of THE most grotesque human beings to come out of British media, and his entire involvement in Veritas, like his tenure in UKIP before, is based on foulmouthed ignoramus prejudice and a tissue of whopping sleazeball lies that make Blair look like St. Paul. I was gonna refer to the BNP's Nazi chanting farce before you pointed it out, Brian, so that point is already covered. Raving Looney Party seem to have dwindled somewhat in following after Screaming Lord Such left us... a great shame. Not 100% sure if they'll still be on the paper as they have no real icon anymore...hmm. It's terribly annoying when an issue such as war has obvious benefits and disadvantages and thus tears you in half, forcing you to abstain from solid opinion on it. Either way - like you said - they lied. Bottom line. Other day, the local Labour powers were patrolling our neighbourhood and they posted a pamphlet through the door while we were sitting in the living room. It read "Dear Voter. We called round earlier but you were out..." I think that speaks for itself.
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Post by whitehind on Apr 23, 2005 12:01:06 GMT -5
The main problem I have with Europe is the way France, Germany and Belgium screwed us over in Iraq. When your allies VETO helping you, I don't think they're good allies. As that American guy said: "France is no longer a super power, Belgium never was and Germany has started two world wars".
Also I'm a patriot and I want to hold onto some shred of national identity.
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Post by Brian the Flying Penguin on Apr 23, 2005 14:01:56 GMT -5
Germany has not started two world wars. The First World War started for a variety of reasons. If you wish to pick a single country, you could make an argument for blaming Austria-Hungry. In reality it was the inevitable result of getting a lot of stupid people with guns together in a confined space.
The modern German nation acknowledges every wrong committed during the Second World War. It is partly because of its history that it is so anti war now. We did not get 'screwed over', we had a disagreement and it turned out that they were right. Anyway, why would withdrawal from Europe help? If we weren't in Europe they would have even less reason for helping us than they do now.
Britain has never been a superpower. The superpowers were Russia and the USA, and now just the USA. We are rich, but so is Germany. We stopped being an imperial power towards the end of the last century. I can't feel a strong attachment to something as metaphysical as a country.
You know St. George was a Palestinian, right?
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Post by whitehind on Apr 23, 2005 19:09:08 GMT -5
Where does St. George come into it? I think England was a pretty big superpower when we had one of the biggest empires in history and the strongest navy. I never said Germans were Nazis or anything. I simply quoted what an american said concerning why he thought they those three countries shouldn't have the power to stop UN intervention. While you can argue that they weren't the initial instigators they were the main fighters against the French, Russian and English etc. They attempted to invade France through neutral belgium. Shall we drop this debate? It's moving away from the thread's topic and it's starting to get a bit too opinionated.
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Post by MrCheese on Apr 23, 2005 19:16:12 GMT -5
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Post by whitehind on Apr 23, 2005 19:40:12 GMT -5
I wasn't aware there were any British people occupying Americia, and I'm certainly sure I wasn't kicked out of there.
Hmmmm.... of course Mr.Cheese isn't a daft name. This isn't a serious website with enormous global implications you know - it's a Bucky O'Hare fan site.
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Post by Cheesypie on Apr 23, 2005 19:43:29 GMT -5
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Post by whitehind on Apr 23, 2005 20:14:46 GMT -5
.... do you have your blood group tattooed under your arm by any chance?
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