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Post by Brian the Flying Penguin on Jul 8, 2005 16:43:06 GMT -5
Would a coward strap a bomb to themselves and blow themselves up in order to harm their enemy? Of course not. If they were cowards they wouldn't be a problem. And plenty of people can kill and remain rational. Irrational and morally bad are not synonymous. Reason cannot evaluate ends, only methods.
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Post by Hush Mazmanos on Jul 8, 2005 20:38:32 GMT -5
I'm sorry for what had happened, Hershey.
Hush Mazmanos
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Post by Norris on Jul 9, 2005 1:05:03 GMT -5
Would a coward strap a bomb to themselves and blow themselves up in order to harm their enemy?
They are afraid of anything that doesn't fit into their "empire", so to speak because they don't understand. What people are afraid of, they try to destroy.
What I'm puzzled about is this:
1) If they don't like the USA or England, why don't they just go back to their homeland?
2) If they want to conquer Western Europe, then why do they put themselves in as part of the British welfare state and accept money from people they wish to kill?
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Post by Hershey on Jul 9, 2005 5:05:08 GMT -5
I personally don't see any bravery in suicide bombing, not only is it a stupid concept but I find acts of faceless terrorism extremely cowardly. I also find unnecessary slaughter appalling and and far from rational. No group could be so backward as to believe it. No matter how anyone tries to justify their actions or reasoning they remain sub-human monsters.
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Post by Norris on Jul 9, 2005 7:11:34 GMT -5
Hershey, you have hit the nail on the head.
They say that suicide is the cowards' way out, so obviously they kill themselves because they'd rather not be detained in a prison cell.
I tell you, it makes me so mad that sometimes I want to join the Air Force for real, but then I'd not only throw my own life away, but joining up at this very moment would mean that I wouldn't be able to get my A-Levels.
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Post by Hush Mazmanos on Jul 9, 2005 7:24:51 GMT -5
Terrorists are cowards, b*stards and many more nasty words in just one package simple as that. I agree with Hershey. I dont find terrorists as humans but as low life monsters. You know whenever I see stuff like that on the news I always say to myself how nice it would be just to watch people like them suffer a long and agonizing death. Sadistic, yes. But I'm expressing how I feel about it.
Hush Mazmanos
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Post by Norris on Jul 9, 2005 7:36:59 GMT -5
True, but I'm having trouble agreeing with that, because killing them just brings you down to their level, unfortunately.
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Post by Hush Mazmanos on Jul 9, 2005 9:32:02 GMT -5
Not exactly. In war it isnt exactly stooping down. But when it comes to random attacks on innocents then yes we are stooping as low as they are. But if we fight them head on in battle and watch them die by our hands it isnt something we could say stoop as low as they are. They chose to fight and this is the price they pay. I dunno I mean whenever I think about knowing innocent lives were lost from a low blow attack it just makes me sad and angry about it.
Hush Mazmanos
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Post by Brian the Flying Penguin on Jul 9, 2005 14:14:43 GMT -5
No. They don't blow themselves up to avoid detention. They do it to make their attacks harder to stop. They show selfless dedication to their cause, and therefore whatever you may think of their cause are brave.
If we treat terrorists like some sort of monster we won't get anywhere in resolving the conditions which give rise to them. The IRA was not beaten by the army but by negotiation, by being brought into government. With the Irish Republican community satisfied that they would no longer be victimised by the British state support for violence drained away.
Given the nature of international business it is not possible for anti-western Islamic extremists to avoid western influence. Britain only stopped ruling Iraq in 1932, and imposing the state of Israel on the Palestinians didn't win the west many Arab admirers. People can hate a thing without fearing it.
Rather than make me want to join the military it makes me want to join the diplomatic service.
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Post by Hershey on Jul 9, 2005 18:14:44 GMT -5
If you class disregard for life brave, then you might have a point. Anyway, Islamic suicide bombers believe that they are going to paradise for their barbaric actions, so their is no bravery in their actions because they believe they are going to be rewarded for them. By that same token they shouldn't mind being executed for the bloodshed they've caused.
Selfless dedication? They don't suffer but they kill and maim innocent people, often unrelated to their "cause".
I agree that negotiation should be the path taken to resolve matters, but this should be done by all parties. The IRA have not disarmed, they still have their weapons, therefore the problem is still unresolved.
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Post by Razgriz aka Dahaka on Jul 9, 2005 20:55:50 GMT -5
Update: 50 killed 700 injured
This world is Black, these hearts are cold.
This world gets colder every day, sometimes I just wanna blast myself to another planet, away from these kind of people
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Post by Hush Mazmanos on Jul 10, 2005 0:33:57 GMT -5
No matter where we go we'll always have stuff like this to deal with dude. Thats life.
Hush Mazmanos
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Post by Norris on Jul 10, 2005 2:01:21 GMT -5
You are all lucky, only just last night a repeat of the London bombings almost occured in my hometown, Birmingham.
My parents believed it may have been some practical jokers with a preverse sense of humour, but if that is the case, then the joke is definitely not funny.
Four packets were destroyed in a contained explosion, and the city wasn't re-opened until 1:00 AM this morning (Greenwich Mean Time). People were so paranoid, that when I went to get the papers this morning, the whole of Acocks Green villiage was so quiet that you could hear a bird hooting from a great distance away.
What's more, two police cars were on the streets this morning despite the fact its' been seven hours since the crisis past.
Now, Brian, inasmuch you're trying to find reasonable explanations, which I respect, I do have a feeling that you're possibly condoning terrorism a bit.
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Post by Brian the Flying Penguin on Jul 10, 2005 3:26:50 GMT -5
Sure I'm condoning terrorism. Terrorism in itself is only as bad as war waged by a state. Every state has murdered at some point, and many have done so recently. How many innocent people died during the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq? Plenty. I think that those invasions were basically just but I don't expect, for example, a boy who lost his whole family and most of his skin to an American bomb to feel the same way.
Bravery: 1: a quality of spirit that enables you to face danger of pain without showing fear 2: feeling no fear
That is all the word means. It doesn't mean that they are being brave towards a worthwhile end. In the same vein Sadam Hussein might have been quite a good artist (he wasn't) without his other crimes being made less bad. Anyway, as far as the paramilitaries are concerned most people in the west are responsible for the actions of their society.
Hershey, are you really trying to say that the situation with the IRA is no better now that in was, say, twenty years ago? The IRA are not blowing people up, and the UDA and UVF are not blowing people up. That, to my mind, is massive progress.
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Post by Razgriz aka Dahaka on Jul 10, 2005 5:11:59 GMT -5
No matter where we go we'll always have stuff like this to deal with dude. Thats life.
Hush Mazmanos
I know, thats a reason why I hate life
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