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Post by Brian the Flying Penguin on Jul 10, 2005 5:39:35 GMT -5
It may be bad at the moment (it isn't, when compared to most of human history) but I love life partly because I believe that it can be made better.
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Post by Razgriz aka Dahaka on Jul 10, 2005 5:50:15 GMT -5
Ya, thats true, but its also get bad and in this case its bad
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Post by Brian the Flying Penguin on Jul 10, 2005 6:05:01 GMT -5
It's worse in Darfur. It's worse in Zimbabwe. In fact, we're pretty lucky.
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Post by Razgriz aka Dahaka on Jul 10, 2005 6:19:58 GMT -5
I know, but its still bad, (I'm not angry if your think that) sometimes I just wanna know why people must do this to each other
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Post by Hush Mazmanos on Jul 10, 2005 6:23:32 GMT -5
Jealousy, Religion, Greed, and many more. The reasons are endless. It's sad but true. As Morpheus would say "Welcoeme to the real world..."
Hush Mazmanos
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Post by Brian the Flying Penguin on Jul 10, 2005 6:28:08 GMT -5
Why? I would say that it is the tribalistic tendencies inherent in the human condition, and that these must be overcome in order to enact long term improvements.
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Post by Razgriz aka Dahaka on Jul 10, 2005 6:41:27 GMT -5
But why must they resort to things like killing?
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Post by Brian the Flying Penguin on Jul 10, 2005 6:47:34 GMT -5
Because people value the rules they are brought up with more than the lives of members of other 'tribes'? Because people whose lives are miserable always want to strike at someone for it? Because they don't see any other way to change things?
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Post by Norris on Jul 10, 2005 8:08:55 GMT -5
If they can't change something, that is no excuse to take it out on an innocent person.
I don't mean to sound horrible here, but I don't think any form of fighting is good, regardless of it being terrorism, war, capital punishment or even a vet putting your pet to sleep. Because of what was happening in Birmingham last night, I couldn't sleep at the thought of a bomb going up at any moment.
I understand about the IRA etc. but I don't think anyone who has seen this kind of thing for their own eyes would want to condone any form of attack, even if it is just verbal abuse.
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Post by Brian the Flying Penguin on Jul 10, 2005 9:02:09 GMT -5
Innocent is an interesting concept. Are the people who establish and maintain an unjust system really innocent? If the only way to affect a bad system is to hurt good people, could that not be considered justified in the long run? No one, including these bombers, would say that fighting is in itself good. Most people, including these bombers, believe that fighting is sometimes necessary.
Take the example of a slave working on a cotton plantation in 1680's America. In order to escape this slave must kill the local policeman. The policeman is not otherwise a bad person, is married and has several children. Surely, despite the fact that the killing is not a good thing we would have little difficulty understanding why the runaway slave would kill. Reasoning from that example, can we not see why a person trapped by a morally wrong economic system that restricts their freedoms would not feel too bad about attacking those who support it? Sadam spent millions on palaces in his capacity as President. Now the banks that lent him the money expect the Iraqi people to cover his debt. Legally they are right. Is it any wonder they feel aggrieved?
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Post by Razgriz aka Dahaka on Jul 10, 2005 9:39:43 GMT -5
I dont really see the point of being in a species if we just kill each other
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Post by Brian the Flying Penguin on Jul 10, 2005 10:21:54 GMT -5
We don't really have any other species that can act as a fair comparison. The best we can do is to try to make the one we are in a little better.
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Hershey
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Post by Hershey on Jul 10, 2005 10:52:59 GMT -5
The mere fact that there have been larger killings elsewhere does not mean that recent attacks are any less horrible and it certainly doesn't make them excusable.
Of course the IRA situation is better than it has been but the fact remains that they still have weapons and can resume fighting anytime they please.
The people killed in London, Manchester and the twin towers had nothing to do with any "cause" of those animals. The only crime they have committed in the eyes of those Islamic extremists is not being Muslim.
Would you forgive these butchers if they needlessly killed your family?
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Post by Hush Mazmanos on Jul 10, 2005 11:15:52 GMT -5
Hershey is right there. I'm with you on this one. I mean Islam is a peacful religion but those d*mn terrorists twists it in such a way that they give their own religion a bad name and sadly they already did.
Hush Mazmanos
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Post by Brian the Flying Penguin on Jul 10, 2005 11:56:03 GMT -5
No religion is intrinsically peaceful. I've heard that enough times about Christianity. People will use their religion to explain both their charity and their violence. Neither is more correct than the other. Mohammad was a conquering general, not the CEO of the Red Crescent. Cultures shift over time. Since they still have weapons it is true that in theory the IRA could resume fighting whenever they like. In practice it won't happen. Look at what happened after the death of Robert McCartney. Hardly an ideal resolution, but the McCartney sisters would not have got the support they did from the republican community while the conflict was still going on. Given human nature, if they hold us responsible for attacking them and theirs (Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, even Iran not so long ago) why be surprised when they attack us? How do we have the moral high ground? If it were my family they targetted I would be upset, but I'd understand their motivations. The World Trade Centre and London were attacked for the same reason that American soldiers murdered hundreds of people in Vietnam. They are trying to fight an idea.
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