Hershey
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Post by Hershey on Jul 10, 2005 17:36:59 GMT -5
Religion is supposed to preach peaceful values but, as you demonstrate with Christianity, people often distort and misinterprate religious teachings to incite violence. This is still no excuse for killing. I believe in democracy and freedom of speech but I'm not going to kill people that contradict my ideals.
No one ever said that the attacks were a surprise, but they shocked and horrified most board members due to the disgusting destruction of human life. I personally have the moral high ground as I have never murdered someone.
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Hershey
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Post by Hershey on Jul 10, 2005 19:50:45 GMT -5
Bravery: 1: a quality of spirit that enables you to face danger of pain without showing fear 2: feeling no fear Okay firstly danger of pain. Instant death at the centre of explosion can hardly be painful. Unlike lying in a pool of your own fluids with missing limbs and charred flesh. Secondly, no fear. Who says they feel no fear? You don't need to be fearless to take your own life. Also, as I said, they don't see it as death but a transition into paradise. Therefore they have nothing to fear and there can be no bravery in the action. Terrorism is a faceless evil that must be crushed and it is completely seperate to guerilla warfare. Terrorism does not attack soldiers, armies, oppressors but ordinary people. Anyone who can agree with all those murders is as bad as the people who did the deed. All those people who died are lives lost, stop thinking in terms of numbers.
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Hershey
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Post by Hershey on Jul 10, 2005 20:07:49 GMT -5
Sure I'm condoning terrorism Then you're condoning the murder of the 2,986ish victims of 9/11, the 190ish people killed in Madrid, All the children, teachers, parents, policemen etc killed in the chechnyan school siege, 270ish people killed in the Lockerbie incident and the hundred of others killed by the IRA and other terrorist cells worldwide.
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Post by Norris on Jul 11, 2005 1:51:40 GMT -5
I make that to be a death toll of 3,853 and 1,000 - something injured.
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Post by The psyko ninja rabbit 2000 on Jul 11, 2005 1:56:24 GMT -5
Either way, it was a dark day for all.
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Post by Norris on Jul 11, 2005 2:51:55 GMT -5
Indeed so, and we haven't included people murdered in burglaries, by thugs, gypsies and even deaths that aren't televised until several months later.
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Post by Hush Mazmanos on Jul 11, 2005 3:50:17 GMT -5
The dead are only the ones who see the end to war. I thought about that quote a lot when I read it when I watched Black Hawk Down. That's why when people hope for world peace I always think it's impossible to achieve that. Cause stuff like this will always come to haunt al of us. We can have peace but it wont last long. Cause something is bound to happen that will disrupt it. I'm not being someone who approves of war. I'm merely saying whats true.
Hush Mazmanos
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Post by Brian the Flying Penguin on Jul 11, 2005 4:53:16 GMT -5
So do you think that it is unreasonable for the friends and relatives of those imprisoned without trial/tortured/murdered by western security forces to feel aggrieved? Do you know how many times more people have been killed in response to the World Trade Centre attack than died in it? Or how many are killed by the patents of American drug companies? If murder on the home front is the only way to get people to change the way they behave then it is justified, though it may be unpleasant for the individuals involved. The deaths that never get terrorised bother me more than the ones that get televised too much.
Maybe if the Spanish government treated Eta the same way we treated the IRA they wouldn't have such a problem. In fact Eta have a more valid claim than the IRA. Franco was far worse than Thatcher.
Have you any idea how many children the Russians murdered in Chechnya?
I refuse to cheer when someone says: "Remember the atrocity committed against us which excuses the atrocity we are about to commit!"
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Post by Hush Mazmanos on Jul 11, 2005 7:07:48 GMT -5
Whoah Brian. You dont have to get mad. Just chill.
Hush Mazmanos
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Post by Brian the Flying Penguin on Jul 11, 2005 7:13:14 GMT -5
I wasn't getting angry. That was a quote. And anyway, there is every need to get angry. People are dying because other people like the way the system works in their favour.
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Post by Norris on Jul 11, 2005 7:15:24 GMT -5
That is true, when it pleases one group it upsets another and there you have it, instant war.
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Post by Hush Mazmanos on Jul 11, 2005 7:41:05 GMT -5
Brian's right there. We have every right to get angry.
Hush Mazmanos
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Post by Pssed Hershey on Jul 11, 2005 12:03:02 GMT -5
So do you think that it is unreasonable for the friends and relatives of those imprisoned without trial/tortured/murdered by western security forces to feel aggrieved? Do you know how many times more people have been killed in response to the World Trade Centre attack than died in it? If murder on the home front is the only way to get people to change the way they behave then it is justified. I believe that the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. Even so I don't agree with the detention of the camp x-ray prisoners. It still does not warrant murder. Wrongful imprisonment of British citizens doesn't warrant murder so neither does the imprisonment of suspected terrorists does not either. Blood will have blood. The volume of people killed elsewhere does not lessen the horrific nature of the attack and does not ever excuse it. It doesn't matter how many children died, one death is evil enough. As I said try to find a shred of humanity stop thinking in terms of numbers. Brian that is the sickest comment I have heard in a long time. The people that died had nothing to do with anything the murderers supposedly fought for. Think about it properly not in a deluded, uptopian, Liberal perpective. Imagine it was your family. For f*cks sake Brian it's f*cking human life we're talking about. Not a symbol it's murder. Each of those victims are dead and there families have been left to pick up the peaces. How can you be so liberal that you are willing to stand for the suffering of people in your own country? Sorry scratch that. You're not Liberal, you're as evil as one of those terrorists. AND NO ONE IS DYING BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF WESTERNERS LIKE DEMOCRACY! IT'S BECAUSE EVIL MEN COMMIT MURDER FOR GODLESS CAUSES!
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Post by whitehind on Jul 11, 2005 12:20:33 GMT -5
If murder on the home front is the only way to get people to change the way they behave then it is justified, though it may be unpleasant for the individuals involved. Under British law the premeditated killing of another person is murder and it is illegal. Also the British council of muslims has condemned the attacks, therefore in the eyes of Islam it is also unjustified.
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Post by Norris on Jul 12, 2005 1:52:41 GMT -5
That's because it is only a minority of people causing the attacks. They are Muslims, but they're not doing it for their people, they're doing it because they just want to challenge the West and use their religion as a way to justify their murders, but they sometimes twist these laws so they can get away with more crimes.
The sooner they're behind bars, the sooner I can sleep at night. Even after the crisis, there's still unrest in the Midlands.
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